[Gnewsense-dev] Ucclia alpha 1

[Sam Geeraerts]

Hi,

I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version alpha
1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
system at least.

Download links:

http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/4.0-alpha1/images/loongson-2f/netboot/

Please test and provide feedback.

[Daniel pimentel]

On 2014-12-02 17:30, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version alpha
> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
> system at least.
>
> Download links:
>
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/4.0-alpha1/images/loongson-2f/netboot/
>
> Please test and provide feedback.
>
> _______________________________________________
> gNewSense-dev mailing list
> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
I'm using gNewSense Ucclia, but I change source.list and add Ucclia
respository. Gnome-shell is cool :)

Thanks for it.
--
Msc. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2014-12-03 01:14, Daniel pimentel wrote:
> On 2014-12-02 17:30, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version
>> alpha
>> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
>> system at least.
>> Download links:
>>
>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
>>
>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
>>
>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/4.0-alpha1/images/loongson-2f/netboot/
>> Please test and provide feedback.
>> _______________________________________________
>> gNewSense-dev mailing list
>> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
> I'm using gNewSense Ucclia, but I change source.list and add Ucclia
> respository. Gnome-shell is cool :)
>
> Thanks for it.

Hello All

Congratulations on the alpha release!

What is the web address and directory path I need to put in the
installer to install ucclia? I'm using the 64 bit mini.iso with an
'advanced install'. The installer wants a domain (I'm guessing the
repository type is http then the domain is beta.gnewsense.org) and a
subdirectory (I've been trying variations on /gnewsense/dist/ucclia and
getting errors)

If I just use installer defaults, I end up with gNewSense 3.x files
from a UK mirror.

Cheers

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2014-12-03 13:52, ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
> On 2014-12-03 01:14, Daniel pimentel wrote:
>> On 2014-12-02 17:30, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version
>>> alpha
>>> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a
>>> usable
>>> system at least.
>>> Download links:
>>>
>>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
>>>
>>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
>>>
>>> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/4.0-alpha1/images/loongson-2f/netboot/
>>> Please test and provide feedback.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gNewSense-dev mailing list
>>> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
>>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
>> I'm using gNewSense Ucclia, but I change source.list and add Ucclia
>> respository. Gnome-shell is cool :)
>>
>> Thanks for it.
>
> Hello All
>
> Congratulations on the alpha release!
>
> What is the web address and directory path I need to put in the
> installer to install ucclia? I'm using the 64 bit mini.iso with an
> 'advanced install'. The installer wants a domain (I'm guessing the
> repository type is http then the domain is beta.gnewsense.org) and a
> subdirectory (I've been trying variations on /gnewsense/dist/ucclia
> and getting errors)
>
> If I just use installer defaults, I end up with gNewSense 3.x files
> from a UK mirror.
>

Sorry for noise, I'm answering my own question here. When the installer
asks about mirrors, I chose

ht for http protocol

I used the following domain

beta.gnewsense.org

then the following directory

gnewsense

the installer then found a list of the distributions available (in this
case just one, ucclia)

and I chose ucclia

Seems to be working. I did poke around the mirrors nearer the UK but
could not find a beta mirror, just the 3.x ones.

Cheers

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:20:57 +0000
schreef ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk:

> I used the following domain
>
> beta.gnewsense.org

I used beta.g.o to start development on Ucclia, but it's no longer
updated now. Please use archive.gnewsense.org now, or better yet,
xx.archive.gnewsense.org (xx being country code).

> Seems to be working. I did poke around the mirrors nearer the UK but
> could not find a beta mirror, just the 3.x ones.

The normal UK mirror already has Ucclia [1]. No need to look for beta
locations. :)

[1] http://uk.archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia

[Daniel pimentel]

Hi Sam and developers, I found a posible "bug/error" in install
gNewSense alpha1.
In section "Software selection", if "Debian desktop environment" was
checked else instalation failed, but if this option wasn't checked so
the instalation continue and finish allright.

Thanks for great works.

--
Msc. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[Daniel pimentel]

On 2014-12-04 09:12, Daniel pimentel wrote:
> Hi Sam and developers, I found a posible "bug/error" in install
> gNewSense alpha1.
> In section "Software selection", if "Debian desktop environment" was
> checked else instalation failed, but if this option wasn't checked so
> the instalation continue and finish allright.
>
> Thanks for great works.

After finish install, I trying install gnome-shell, gdm3 and others and
there is a error:
update-alternatives: error: alternative path
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png doesn't exist

This same error happens with upgrade gNewSense Parker to Ucclia and I
think is same error with install mini.iso.

My (not good) solution:
-copy image with same name and place. For example:
sudo cp /home/dani/Pictures/gnu.png
/usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png

Other pictures doesn't exist too, and I did same rotine.

--
Msc. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[Daniel pimentel]

On 2014-12-04 11:05, Daniel pimentel wrote:
> On 2014-12-04 09:12, Daniel pimentel wrote:
>> Hi Sam and developers, I found a posible "bug/error" in install
>> gNewSense alpha1.
>> In section "Software selection", if "Debian desktop environment" was
>> checked else instalation failed, but if this option wasn't checked so
>> the instalation continue and finish allright.
>>
>> Thanks for great works.
>
> After finish install, I trying install gnome-shell, gdm3 and others
> and there is a error:
> update-alternatives: error: alternative path
> /usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png doesn't exist
>
> This same error happens with upgrade gNewSense Parker to Ucclia and I
> think is same error with install mini.iso.
>
> My (not good) solution:
> -copy image with same name and place. For example:
> sudo cp /home/dani/Pictures/gnu.png
> /usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png
>
> Other pictures doesn't exist too, and I did same rotine.
There aren't files in /usr/share/images/desktop-base/:
-gns-inside.png
-gns-inside-wide.png
-aurora-grub.png
-aurora-wide-grub.png
-desktop-grub.png

--
Msc. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:05:14 -0300
schreef Daniel pimentel <***@openmailbox.org>:

> After finish install, I trying install gnome-shell, gdm3 and others
> and there is a error:
> update-alternatives: error: alternative path
> /usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png doesn't exist

You're right. I didn't push the latest version to the repo. Should be
fixed within 24 h.

[Daniel pimentel]

On 2014-12-04 17:52, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 11:05:14 -0300
> schreef Daniel pimentel <***@openmailbox.org>:
>
>> After finish install, I trying install gnome-shell, gdm3 and others
>> and there is a error:
>> update-alternatives: error: alternative path
>> /usr/share/images/desktop-base/gns-inside.png doesn't exist
>
> You're right. I didn't push the latest version to the repo. Should be
> fixed within 24 h.
>
> _______________________________________________
> gNewSense-dev mailing list
> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
I reported the other files too.
Great work man!
I'm aready to help :)
--
Msc. Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:12:24 -0300
schreef Daniel pimentel <***@openmailbox.org>:

> In section "Software selection", if "Debian desktop environment" was
> checked else instalation failed, but if this option wasn't checked so
> the instalation continue and finish allright.

Known issue. It's because LibreOffice is still blacklisted. We should
have that sorted out shortly.

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2014-12-04 15:39, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:12:24 -0300
> schreef Daniel pimentel <***@openmailbox.org>:
>
>> In section "Software selection", if "Debian desktop environment" was
>> checked else instalation failed, but if this option wasn't checked
>> so
>> the instalation continue and finish allright.
>
> Known issue. It's because LibreOffice is still blacklisted. We should
> have that sorted out shortly.
>

Hello Sam and All

Installer works fine on X61s with ath5 wifi using the
gb.archive.gnewsense.org mirror on a fresh install. The very first
screen that the mini.iso displays looks odd, with two lists of options
superimposed and only the first one responding to keyboard input (I have
photos if needed). After choosing Advanced Options/Expert Install it was
a normal ncurses style screen and no further problems up to tasksel.

At the tasksel stage I unticked everything apart from system packages
(last option) and I'm on a command line with an entry in the
/etc/network/interfaces file allowing me to use my local wifi as per the
Debian wiki.

Attempting to get round the dekstop issue by installing gnome-core (no
libreoffice dependency) results in...

Reading package lists...
Building dependency tree...
Reading state information...
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
gnome-core : Depends: iceweasel (>= 10) but it is not installable
Recommends: network-manager-gnome but it is not going to
be installed

If I then try to install network-manager-gnome, I get a big lot of
libraries to install. I shall try this and then try installing
gnome-core again...

Am I going in the right direction at this point to get a viable Gnome
desktop?

Cheers

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:07:35 +0000
schreef ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk:

> Installer works fine on X61s with ath5 wifi using the
> gb.archive.gnewsense.org mirror on a fresh install. The very first
> screen that the mini.iso displays looks odd, with two lists of
> options superimposed and only the first one responding to keyboard
> input (I have photos if needed).

The example boot screen got mixed up whith the plain background. I'll
fix that.

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> gnome-core : Depends: iceweasel (>= 10) but it is not installable
> Recommends: network-manager-gnome but it is not going
> to be installed

Iceweasel is still needs some work. I hope to include that soon.

> If I then try to install network-manager-gnome, I get a big lot of
> libraries to install. I shall try this and then try installing
> gnome-core again...
>
> Am I going in the right direction at this point to get a viable Gnome
> desktop?

Try installing the gnome-shell package. It has less dependencies.

Thanks for testing. I appreciate the feedback.

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2014-12-06 21:19, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Op Thu, 04 Dec 2014 23:07:35 +0000
> schreef ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk:
[snip]
>> If I then try to install network-manager-gnome, I get a big lot of
>> libraries to install. I shall try this and then try installing
>> gnome-core again...
>>
>> Am I going in the right direction at this point to get a viable
>> Gnome
>> desktop?
>
> Try installing the gnome-shell package. It has less dependencies.

That worked fine, thanks.

To recap my steps so far: Install a command line system (unselect
Desktop at the tasksel stage in installer), then install
network-manager-gnome, gnome-shell, gnome-terminal, gdm3 to bring a
basic desktop. Then reboot and add more Gnome components and add
applications...

Wifi only install (just in case it is useful to anyone else). Only
needed until the default tasksel with desktop selected works...

...in my case I used wifi (no wired connection) and the installer 'just
worked' on wlan0 with wpa2 encryption. Once rebooting into command line,
I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces using nano and comment out the
default lines and add the lines below...

# Home wifi
auto wlan0
iface wlan0 inet dhcp
wpa-ssid wifi-network-name
wpa-psk wifi-password

then rebooted to get a 'fixed' wifi connection.

Then I installed the desktop as above, and edited the
/etc/network/interfaces file to restore the original lines and comment
out the temporary ones. Another reboot (I'm a bit lazy). Network Manager
then works and finds wifi.

>
> Thanks for testing. I appreciate the feedback.
>

Least I can do!

PS: Epiphany-browser (aka 'Web' within Gnome Shell) is not a bad little
webkit based Web browser. Does enough JS to log into webmail and get on
wifi in cafes that have landing pages.

cheers
--
Keith Burnett

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Sun, 07 Dec 2014 13:35:36 +0000
schreef ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk:

> ...in my case I used wifi (no wired connection) and the installer
> 'just worked' on wlan0 with wpa2 encryption.

Nice. That test was still on my todo list.

[Harry Prevor]

On 2014-12-02 15:30, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version alpha
> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
> system at least.

Wow!

To be honest, I wasn't sure that this day would come but am very
grateful that it has. We can't thank you enough for all your work and
dedication towards this project samgee.

I am very much looking forward to trying this out sometime this week.

--
Harry Prevor

[arnuld uttre]

> On 12/3/14, Sam Geeraerts <***@elmundolibre.be> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version alpha
> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
> system at least.
>

Sam, I thought it will take ten years to come out. Lots of thanks for
your insane amount of hard work to release it before end of this year

I appreciate it a lot. It is a perfect Xmas gift :)


-- arnuld
http://uttre.wordpress.com/
http://lispmachine.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/extract-of-programming/

[Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas]

Cheers, great work!

Tell us how to bootstrap on the yeelong if feasible

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Tue, 9 Dec 2014 22:03:43 -0500
schreef Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas <***@kristianpaul.org>:

> Cheers, great work!
>
> Tell us how to bootstrap on the yeelong if feasible

You can use the netboot installer [1] just as with Parkes [2].

[1]
http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/current/images/loongson-2f/netboot/
[2] http://www.gnewsense.org/Projects/GNewSenseToMIPS

[Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas]

Yup sorry, I meant the build process :)

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

> I would like to announce gNewSense 4, codenamed Ucclia, version alpha
> 1. This is not yet the complete desktop, but should get you a usable
> system at least.
>
> Download links:
>
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-amd64/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-i386/4.0-alpha1/images/netboot/mini.iso
> http://archive.gnewsense.org/gnewsense/dists/ucclia/main/installer-mipsel/4.0-alpha1/images/loongson-2f/netboot/
>
> Please test and provide feedback.

I have tried to install it on a i686 box and noticed a few things:

The installation has been done using a usb key. The usb device has been
detected as /dev/sda and the interal hd as /dev/sdb which I have not
seen using the original d-i

I have selected UK mirror which seems to be fine in general.

Installation then fails after tasksel, where I have kept default
selections (which is Debian Desktop, SSH, Printing ...).

I was not able to get up a running Ucclia installation this way.

Greetings
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Sat, 03 Jan 2015 10:49:17 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> The installation has been done using a usb key. The usb device has
> been detected as /dev/sda and the interal hd as /dev/sdb which I have
> not seen using the original d-i

I've not experienced this myself. Can you start the installer again a
few times to check if it's reproducible and consistent?

> Installation then fails after tasksel, where I have kept default
> selections (which is Debian Desktop, SSH, Printing ...).

The installer's log is visible on tty4 (Ctrl+Alt+F4) or
in /var/log/installer/syslog on the root partition you installed to. Can
you tell me where it fails?

[TJ]

Any plans for a gNewsense users forum?

Or is this format suitable for that purpose as well?

-----

[rsiddharth]

> Any plans for a gNewsense users forum?

I don't think so.

> Or is this format suitable for that purpose as well?

gnewsense-users[1] mailing list is the primary channel for
communication for gNewSense users.

[1]: https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-users
--
rsiddharth
<http://rsiddharth.ninth.su/contact.html>

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>> The installation has been done using a usb key. The usb device has
>> been detected as /dev/sda and the interal hd as /dev/sdb which I have
>> not seen using the original d-i
>
> I've not experienced this myself. Can you start the installer again a
> few times to check if it's reproducible and consistent?

It always behaves this way, even on different hardware. I have not
tested the x86_64 build.

>> Installation then fails after tasksel, where I have kept default
>> selections (which is Debian Desktop, SSH, Printing ...).
>
> The installer's log is visible on tty4 (Ctrl+Alt+F4) or
> in /var/log/installer/syslog on the root partition you installed to. Can
> you tell me where it fails?

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
task-gnome-desktop :
Depends: gnome-core but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: gnome but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: libreoffice-gnome but it is not installable
Recommends: libreoffice-evolution but it is not installable
Recommends: iceweasel but it is not installable
Recommends: libreoffice but it is not installable
Recommends: libreoffice-gcj but it is not installable
Recommends: libreoffice-help-en-us but it is not installable
Recommends: mythes-en-us but it is not going to be installed

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
tasksel: apt-get failed (100)

Greetings
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Tue, 06 Jan 2015 13:31:27 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> It always behaves this way, even on different hardware. I have not
> tested the x86_64 build.

Ok, I'll do some more testing with that myself.

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> task-gnome-desktop :
> Depends: gnome-core but it is not going to be installed
> Recommends: gnome but it is not going to be installed
> Recommends: libreoffice-gnome but it is not installable
> Recommends: libreoffice-evolution but it is not installable
> Recommends: iceweasel but it is not installable
> Recommends: libreoffice but it is not installable
> Recommends: libreoffice-gcj but it is not installable
> Recommends: libreoffice-help-en-us but it is not installable
> Recommends: mythes-en-us but it is not going to be installed

Ah, yes. Libreoffice builds are almost complete. I'm still not sure
about Iceweasel, but the build has to wait for Libreoffice anyway.

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>> It always behaves this way, even on different hardware. I have not
>> tested the x86_64 build.
>
> Ok, I'll do some more testing with that myself.
>
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>> task-gnome-desktop :
>> Depends: gnome-core but it is not going to be installed
>> Recommends: gnome but it is not going to be installed
>> Recommends: libreoffice-gnome but it is not installable
>> Recommends: libreoffice-evolution but it is not installable
>> Recommends: iceweasel but it is not installable
>> Recommends: libreoffice but it is not installable
>> Recommends: libreoffice-gcj but it is not installable
>> Recommends: libreoffice-help-en-us but it is not installable
>> Recommends: mythes-en-us but it is not going to be installed
>
> Ah, yes. Libreoffice builds are almost complete. I'm still not sure
> about Iceweasel, but the build has to wait for Libreoffice anyway.

Great, could you please send a short update to the list, when the build
has finished?

Greets
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:41:59 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> Great, could you please send a short update to the list, when the
> build has finished?

LibreOffice build has finished and is now available in the repository.

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>
>> Great, could you please send a short update to the list, when the
>> build has finished?
>
> LibreOffice build has finished and is now available in the repository.

Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?

Greetings
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?

Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no relation
with the browser.

[TJ]

LibreOffice install worked flawlessly. Much preferred over Abiword.

Thank You!

-----

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Geeraerts <***@elmundolibre.be>
To: gnewsense-***@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Gnewsense-dev] Ucclia alpha 1
Date: 11Jan2015(Sun) 22:44

> Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>
> > Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>
> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no
> relation with the browser.
>
> _______________________________________________
> gNewSense-dev mailing list
> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev

[Daniel Pimentel]

On 2015-01-11 22:42, TJ wrote:
> LibreOffice install worked flawlessly. Much preferred over Abiword.
>
> Thank You!
>
> -----
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sam Geeraerts <***@elmundolibre.be>
> To: gnewsense-***@nongnu.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnewsense-dev] Ucclia alpha 1
> Date: 11Jan2015(Sun) 22:44
>
>> Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
>> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>>
>> > Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>>
>> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
>> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
>> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no
>> relation with the browser.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gNewSense-dev mailing list
>> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
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[Marcus Moeller]

Hi Again,

you might have already noticed that the Bootsplash shows duplicate
entries/an overlap.

Greetings
Marcus


Am 12.01.2015 um 12:36 schrieb Daniel Pimentel:
> On 2015-01-11 22:42, TJ wrote:
>> LibreOffice install worked flawlessly. Much preferred over Abiword.
>>
>> Thank You!
>>
>> -----
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sam Geeraerts <***@elmundolibre.be>
>> To: gnewsense-***@nongnu.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnewsense-dev] Ucclia alpha 1
>> Date: 11Jan2015(Sun) 22:44
>>
>>> Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
>>> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>>>
>>> > Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>>>
>>> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
>>> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
>>> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no
>>> relation with the browser.
>>>
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>>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
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>>
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> Great work :)

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:22:27 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> you might have already noticed that the Bootsplash shows duplicate
> entries/an overlap.

Yes, thanks for reminding me. I got distracted by the Iceweasel issue.
I'll build another installer image.

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>> you might have already noticed that the Bootsplash shows duplicate
>> entries/an overlap.
>
> Yes, thanks for reminding me. I got distracted by the Iceweasel issue.
> I'll build another installer image.

Icedove is also missing. Is there any reason for that?

Greetings
Marcus

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>>> you might have already noticed that the Bootsplash shows duplicate
>>> entries/an overlap.
>>
>> Yes, thanks for reminding me. I got distracted by the Iceweasel issue.
>> I'll build another installer image.
>
> Icedove is also missing. Is there any reason for that?

Iceweasel is available now and installation went through fine (besides
the known Grub sda/sdb bug). Icedove is still missing in the repo.
icedove-l10n- packages are there.

Iceweasel itself starts but does not work as expected. Buttons cannot be
pressed, menus are not displayed.

For GDM3, please add aurora-backgrounds and aurora-icon-theme ad
dependency in to the task. I have also added a small patch for
/etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings

There is no Aurora GTK3 theme available and there was no plan to create
one. I would even like to suggest to drop gtk2-engines-aurora as it's
actually used nowhere (at least for what we are planning to ship by
default).

I would also prefer the Aurora wallpaper for both GDM3 and the actual
desktop. gns-inside was planned as an opitonal addition.

I still have to figure out how to predefine the GNOME background and
will come back to you on that.

Greets
Marcus

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>>>> you might have already noticed that the Bootsplash shows duplicate
>>>> entries/an overlap.
>>>
>>> Yes, thanks for reminding me. I got distracted by the Iceweasel issue.
>>> I'll build another installer image.
>>
>> Icedove is also missing. Is there any reason for that?
>
> Iceweasel is available now and installation went through fine (besides
> the known Grub sda/sdb bug). Icedove is still missing in the repo.
> icedove-l10n- packages are there.
>
> Iceweasel itself starts but does not work as expected. Buttons cannot be
> pressed, menus are not displayed.
>
> For GDM3, please add aurora-backgrounds and aurora-icon-theme ad
> dependency in to the task. I have also added a small patch for
> /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings
>
> There is no Aurora GTK3 theme available and there was no plan to create
> one. I would even like to suggest to drop gtk2-engines-aurora as it's
> actually used nowhere (at least for what we are planning to ship by
> default).
>
> I would also prefer the Aurora wallpaper for both GDM3 and the actual
> desktop. gns-inside was planned as an opitonal addition.
>
> I still have to figure out how to predefine the GNOME background and
> will come back to you on that.

aurora-wide.svg should be added to desktop-base package in:

/usr/share/images/desktop-base/aurora-wide.svg

and priority should be set to highest (e.g. 70) in postinst of desktop-base.

Concerning the default background in GNOME: desktop-base already ships
an override /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_desktop-base.gschema.override
which links to /usr/share/images/desktop-base/desktop-background.xml but
this one does not exist.

I guess it should link to
/usr/share/gnome-background-properties/debian.xml instead. I am going to
check on an original wheezy system and report back.

Greets
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 04 Mar 2015 18:44:33 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> Iceweasel is available now and installation went through fine
> (besides the known Grub sda/sdb bug). Icedove is still missing in the
> repo. icedove-l10n- packages are there.

Did you install Iceweasel on an installed Ucclia system or did you do a
full install of Ucclia?

> Iceweasel itself starts but does not work as expected. Buttons cannot
> be pressed, menus are not displayed.

I haven't had a chance to really test it myself, which is why I didn't
announce it yet. Do you see any errors when you start it from a
terminal?

> For GDM3, please add aurora-backgrounds and aurora-icon-theme ad
> dependency in to the task. I have also added a small patch for
> /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings

Thanks, I'll have a look at it.

> There is no Aurora GTK3 theme available and there was no plan to
> create one. I would even like to suggest to drop gtk2-engines-aurora
> as it's actually used nowhere (at least for what we are planning to
> ship by default).

I was thinking we could keep it around for when/if we do something with
Mate. But we might as well drop it until that time.

> I would also prefer the Aurora wallpaper for both GDM3 and the actual
> desktop. gns-inside was planned as an opitonal addition.
>
> I still have to figure out how to predefine the GNOME background and
> will come back to you on that.

Ok.

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Sam.

>> Iceweasel is available now and installation went through fine
>> (besides the known Grub sda/sdb bug). Icedove is still missing in the
>> repo. icedove-l10n- packages are there.
>
> Did you install Iceweasel on an installed Ucclia system or did you do a
> full install of Ucclia?

I did a full installation, and Iceweasel was there.

>> Iceweasel itself starts but does not work as expected. Buttons cannot
>> be pressed, menus are not displayed.
>
> I haven't had a chance to really test it myself, which is why I didn't
> announce it yet. Do you see any errors when you start it from a
> terminal?

That's the strange thing. There are no error messages at all.

>> For GDM3, please add aurora-backgrounds and aurora-icon-theme ad
>> dependency in to the task. I have also added a small patch for
>> /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings
>
> Thanks, I'll have a look at it.
>
>> There is no Aurora GTK3 theme available and there was no plan to
>> create one. I would even like to suggest to drop gtk2-engines-aurora
>> as it's actually used nowhere (at least for what we are planning to
>> ship by default).
>
> I was thinking we could keep it around for when/if we do something with
> Mate. But we might as well drop it until that time.

Ok, we should just not install it by default (which is the case already,
now)

>> I would also prefer the Aurora wallpaper for both GDM3 and the actual
>> desktop. gns-inside was planned as an opitonal addition.
>>
>> I still have to figure out how to predefine the GNOME background and
>> will come back to you on that.
>
> Ok.

Thanks a lot
Marcus

[Marcus Moeller]

Am 11.01.2015 um 22:44 schrieb Sam Geeraerts:
> Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>
>> Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>
> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no relation
> with the browser.

Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is not
going to be installed

Greets
Marcus

[Lucio De Re]

On 1/12/15, Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch> wrote:
>
>
> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is not
> going to be installed
>
To the uninformed, this smacks of failure not in the application, but
in the underlying platform. Is that even a remote possibility?

Lucio.

[Marcus Moeller]

Dear Lucio.

>> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is not
>> going to be installed
>>
> To the uninformed, this smacks of failure not in the application, but
> in the underlying platform. Is that even a remote possibility?

I am not sure what you mean. This failure occurs when you try to do a
fresh install of Ucclia Alpha 1 with the mini.iso using the gb mirror.

Greets
Marcus

[Lucio De Re]

More likely, I don't know what I'm asking. Could you mail me the
error report, so I can get a better grip on the nature of the problem?
Remember that Sam was complaining about compilation getting stuck on
a single module. It is my uneducated opinion that we could have a task
switching problem, but that would be not at the application level, but
rather in the infrastructure.

Naturally, I'm much more likely to be mistaken, so please take my
suggestions with a big lump of salt.

Lucio.

[Marcus Moeller]

Am 13.01.2015 um 09:49 schrieb Lucio De Re:
> More likely, I don't know what I'm asking. Could you mail me the
> error report, so I can get a better grip on the nature of the problem?
> Remember that Sam was complaining about compilation getting stuck on
> a single module. It is my uneducated opinion that we could have a task
> switching problem, but that would be not at the application level, but
> rather in the infrastructure.
>
> Naturally, I'm much more likely to be mistaken, so please take my
> suggestions with a big lump of salt.

I am not sure about that, because the build infrastructure is not
transparent to me.

But it seems that gnome-core is not build (yet).

Greets
Marcus

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:00:11 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is
> not going to be installed

True. Gnome-core depends on iceweasel. While I work on Iceweasel I
could fix the installation process by changing the dependency to
epiphany-browser. Any Epiphany fans here, or do you think the Mozilla
browser is an essential part of the desktop?

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2015-01-13 21:00, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> Op Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:00:11 +0100
> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>
>> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is
>> not going to be installed
>
> True. Gnome-core depends on iceweasel. While I work on Iceweasel I
> could fix the installation process by changing the dependency to
> epiphany-browser. Any Epiphany fans here, or do you think the Mozilla
> browser is an essential part of the desktop?
>
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> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
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Hello All

Epiphany works ok and is based on Webkit. As it is the 'official' Gnome
Web browser, it fits in really nicely with the Gnome 3 UI if you use
that. Epiphany can 'bog down' on javascript intensive Web sites.

I'll need Iceweasel/Iceape/Firefox for the add-ons I use (noscript and
a few others).

cheers
--
Keith Burnett

[Daniel Pimentel]

On 2015-01-13 20:31, ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk wrote:
> On 2015-01-13 21:00, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
>> Op Mon, 12 Jan 2015 20:00:11 +0100
>> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>>
>>> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is
>>> not going to be installed
>>
>> True. Gnome-core depends on iceweasel. While I work on Iceweasel I
>> could fix the installation process by changing the dependency to
>> epiphany-browser. Any Epiphany fans here, or do you think the Mozilla
>> browser is an essential part of the desktop?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gNewSense-dev mailing list
>> gNewSense-***@nongnu.org
>> https://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnewsense-dev
>
> Hello All
>
> Epiphany works ok and is based on Webkit. As it is the 'official'
> Gnome Web browser, it fits in really nicely with the Gnome 3 UI if you
> use that. Epiphany can 'bog down' on javascript intensive Web sites.
>
> I'll need Iceweasel/Iceape/Firefox for the add-ons I use (noscript and
> a few others).
>
> cheers
> --
> Keith Burnett
>
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I use epiphany browser, there are good integration with Gnome and your
visual is cool. I like too Icecat, and I can install the 17.0.1, but I
can't install the new version because glibc version.

Is there plan to include Icecat in gNewSense 4 or 5?

Thanks for great work.
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Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 14 Jan 2015 07:52:01 -0300
schreef Daniel Pimentel <***@openmailbox.org>:

> Is there plan to include Icecat in gNewSense 4 or 5?

I'm applying some of IceCat's modifications to Iceweasel, though the
addons will not be installed by default.

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Tue, 13 Jan 2015 23:31:30 +0000
schreef ***@sohcahtoa.org.uk:

> Epiphany works ok and is based on Webkit. As it is the 'official'
> Gnome Web browser, it fits in really nicely with the Gnome 3 UI if
> you use that. Epiphany can 'bog down' on javascript intensive Web
> sites.

I found that Debian switched the default to Iceweasel because of
security concerns [1].

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772808

[Harry Prevor]

On 2015-01-13 16:00, Sam Geeraerts wrote:
> True. Gnome-core depends on iceweasel. While I work on Iceweasel I
> could fix the installation process by changing the dependency to
> epiphany-browser. Any Epiphany fans here, or do you think the Mozilla
> browser is an essential part of the desktop?

A problem with that for the Yeeloong users would be this bug, which is
still present on WebKit browsers in Ucclia:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=39232

I kept Iceweasel 3 from Parkes and it works fine for me, but from my
experience you can't really browse reliably in gNS' WebKit browsers on
the Yeeloong yet so I'd leave the dependency (at least for mips64el).

Harry Prevor

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:05:34 -0500
schreef Harry Prevor <***@SDF.ORG>:

> I kept Iceweasel 3 from Parkes and it works fine for me, but from my
> experience you can't really browse reliably in gNS' WebKit browsers
> on the Yeeloong yet so I'd leave the dependency (at least for
> mips64el).

True. I will postpone further releases until I tried all my tricks to
get it built.

[k***@sohcahtoa.org.uk]

On 2015-01-12 19:00, Marcus Moeller wrote:
> Am 11.01.2015 um 22:44 schrieb Sam Geeraerts:
>> Op Sun, 11 Jan 2015 09:14:11 +0100
>> schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:
>>
>>> Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>>
>> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary
>> package,
>> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
>> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no
>> relation
>> with the browser.
>
> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is
> not going to be installed
>
> Greets
> Marcus

Hello Marcus and all

I 'got around' the tasksel problem by following a suggestion of Sam's
(see mailing list archives around early Dec) so that I could actually
try out the desktop and some applications.

The installation on a Thinkpad laptop with ath5 based wifi went like
this...

* Boot from the mini.iso and enable networking (I used wifi)

* When you reach the tasksel stage, unselect the Desktop task, install
the other three tasks

* Reboot into a command line on the installed system

* Become root and add lines to /etc/network/interfaces to allow either
a wired or wireless connection (see Debian Networking wiki page for
instructions)

* (Become root if not already) and apt-get install
network-manager-gnome gnome-shell gdm3 epiphany-browser to get a basic
desktop with Web browser

* Remove or comment out the temporary lines that you added in
/etc/network/interfaces and reboot

* You should see the graphical log-in screen and be able to connect to
wifi using network-manager-gnome when you log in

* Install other packages as needed

I'm sure we won't need to use work-arounds soon enough.

Cheers
--
Keith Burnett

[Marcus Moeller]

Hi again.

>>>> Great, but as Iceweasel is missing, installation should still fail?
>>>
>>> Iceweasel is only a soft dependency of the libreoffice binary package,
>>> so you should be able to install without the browser. Or install the
>>> individual components (libreoffice-writer etc.), which have no relation
>>> with the browser.
>>
>> Tasksel still fails: task-gnome-desktop Depends: gnome-core which is
>> not going to be installed
>>
>> Greets
>> Marcus
>
> Hello Marcus and all
>
> I 'got around' the tasksel problem by following a suggestion of Sam's
> (see mailing list archives around early Dec) so that I could actually
> try out the desktop and some applications.
>
> The installation on a Thinkpad laptop with ath5 based wifi went like
> this...
>
> * Boot from the mini.iso and enable networking (I used wifi)
>
> * When you reach the tasksel stage, unselect the Desktop task, install
> the other three tasks

As the internal disk is detected as /dev/sdb and the usb key as
/dev/sda, grub installation will fail. I had to manually select /dev/sdb
in order to write grub to mbr.


Greets
Marcus

[jason]

> As the internal disk is detected as /dev/sdb and the usb key as
> /dev/sda, grub installation will fail. I had to manually select /dev/sdb
> in order to write grub to mbr.
>

The same disk order appears on amd64 version.

[Sam Geeraerts]

Op Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:31:16 +0100
schreef Marcus Moeller <***@gmx.ch>:

> As the internal disk is detected as /dev/sdb and the usb key as
> /dev/sda, grub installation will fail. I had to manually
> select /dev/sdb in order to write grub to mbr.

I found that this is a known problem with Debian's installer (see
errata at [1]). The bug report [2] hasn't seen much action, despite the
status given in the errata.

[1] http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=721627